George and LU you are beating a dead drum.
You Loose!!! People in need of Health Care Win!!
Get over it and Just GO AWAY!!!!

Something needs to be done.  Close to 9k of my paycheck goes for medicial insurance and I still had to pay over 3k for the delivery of my daughter.  Something ain't right here.

  

That 9k will seem like a good deal if you were to get cancer and have bills in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.  Insurance companies have to cover themselves in case of a catastrophic illness.  The reform we need is TORT reform, that would drive down the costs of insurance.  The liberals in Congress won't do that though, because their lawyer contributors would not be happy.

reply to message from kubels posted on Thu 10/15/09 at 5:48 am

@Dwight

You fail to realize that health insurance plans have a cap on benefits.  Mine stops paying after 1 million over a lifetime for my whole family.  Cancer treatments would easily eat it up, which is why my company offers supplimental cancer insurance at an additional 100 dollars a month which I can't afford to get.  Even though I fork over over 400 a paycheck to the insurance company they can cut my family off if we get really sick.  I agree with the original poster the delivery of my child was over 20,000 before insurance for just 2 days in the hospital.  In other coutries you can get world class care for the delivery of your child for less than 5,000 before insurance. 

www.slate.com/id/2217481/entry/2217482/

I'm not sure I understand where LU students are coming from on this issue. From a moral and biblical perspective, it seems as though as Christians we should be very concerned about the fact that 45 million Americans are without heathcare and that the high cost of healthcare is devestating so many Americans. Didn't Christ say that we'd be judged on what we have done for "the least of these?" Why don't Christians see healthcare reform as a moral imperative? I, for one, support Obama's efforts toward health care reform precisely because I am a Christian.

  


"World class health care" ---aka long lines, politicans making healthcare decisions, etc.  Quality will be sacrificed if we go to socialized medicine...that FACT cannot be argued.

reply to message from Bikeman321 posted on Thu 10/15/09 at 7:15 am

  

  There is somethings you and alot of others must realize also.   They are playing numbers games ( like they always do) to drive their agenda.  Lets use the point you made about the cost of child birth:
 They point these things out about cost but leave out the differences in payscales of the different countries.  Is their 5 grand equal to our 20 grand or is it more or less?  Do they make equivelant to 30 grand a year or is it just 5 grand?
  They did the same thing with bankruptcies,  they said that 65% of the bankruptcies in the US was because of medical expensesand people was losing everything because of medical bills,more than anywhere else in the world, that brings up some questions also:
  Did the other countries even have a bankruptcy plan to protect their citizens or did they make them responsible for their bills.
  Did they give them care at all if they didnt have means to pay for it in other countries.
  Why didnt they explain that in the US they have bankruptcy plans to where you keep your house, cars, etc... while filing bankruptcy wiping out your medical bills?  I believe it was chapter 7  will hve to go back and look it up.
  If they saved your life and you had to downgrade from a 300,000 dollar house to a 50,000 wouldnt you feel it was worth it?  when your dead your in a little box anyway.
  Attacking insurance companies and making the govt in control of our healthcare is not going to make healthcare cheaper it is just going to make them in control of what you get and how much you pay for it.  People complain about paying income tax yet dont realize that this will make income tax seem like your buying a pack of gum.  We dont need to attack insurance companies that pay for services we need to attack why those services are high to begin with.  2 totally different things.

reply to message from Bikeman321 posted on Thu 10/15/09 at 7:15 am

This is America.  America is supposed to a nation of freedom where each American is responsible for his or herself and his or her family.  Nothing ever comes free from the government and the government does not know how to manage social programs, because that role should never be in the hands of the government.  Ask those dependent on Medicare, the VA and Social Security, just to name a few. 

Tort reform is the only answer here.  Socialized medicine is not the answer and will not work.  In the end it will also cost the taxpayer more and it will greatly sacrifice quality.  The government will also be able to tell you which medical problems are worthy of treatment, and which are not.  If you're old and have a heart problem, but others younger than you are waiting in line, then too bad, we'll leave you to die as you no longer have as much worth or value as younger individuals.  Socialized medicine also allows at least 12 million more to be waiting line ahead of you at the doctors; illegal aliens.  Us, the taxpayers will be paying for these individuals that are not even American citizens. 

Also, if you think this is all about medicine, it is not.  The issue is much more complex than just healthcare.  Healthcare is the face of the government trying to gain more control over all of our lives and have an increased ability to intervene in areas where the government has no business telling us what to do.  It is the ignorance of Americans that have put the people in office that are there today.  Too many American do not know their Constitution, and they are lazy and want the government to take care of them.  Better wake up and value the freedoms you have left, folks, or soon you will not have any at all. 

reply to message from Michael Hensley posted on Thu 10/15/09 at 4:55 am

  

So what's your point?  Christ puts the responsibility on us personally, not our government.  You support Obama's effort?  Or you yourself are doing something about it personally?  Simply "supporting" someone else in their effort does not make a difference unless you are actively involved.  Passively supporting someone, and their cause, changes nothing.  So what you are saying is that if Christians do not support Obama and his liberal, Constitution-hating pals, in his quest for socialized medicine and ultimately more control over our lives, then those Christians are sinning?  Correct me if you are trying to state something else. 

I think everyone is concerned about healthcare, myself included, but I also think many have done their research and realize that government-run healthcare is not the answer.  Tort reform is a solution that will make healthcare more affordable for everyone and keep our freedoms intact at the same time.  >>

I believe that it is the role of the church to provide for those that are legitimately poor and in need of food, medicine and basic necessities.  I know that many churches in the area provide this; for example I remember Thomas Road had a free medical clinic last year for those in need and hundreds came out for free medical care.  Ironic that I see all of the hate toward LU and Thomas Road around here, but do people complain when there is a free medical clinic, a food drive, or any other demonstration of giving back to the community?  >>

If you value your health and your freedom, I do not believe you will want socialized medicine, and I believe the majority of Americans want reform, but not the reform that the government is foisting upon us.  Those that support socialized medicine want the American people to believe this is the only solution, but it is not. 

reply to message from gsuknight posted on Thu 10/15/09 at 8:19 am